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	<title>Comments on: Murder most fowl</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Ancona</title>
		<link>http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/10/31/murder-most-fowl/comment-page-1/#comment-86049</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Ancona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussions people have about stock! I love it.

I&#039;ve made stock with the CSA chickens we get (yeah, I&#039;m in SF too) that come equipped with heads and feet a couple times and it really is amazing stuff. The floating head bobbing around in there thing is a little freaky, but at the same time it feels respectful. We&#039;re definitely getting every last bit of nutrition out of these noble little beasts as we can.

Secret ingredient that my caterer/foodie inspiration pal swears by: a little white vinegar. Apparently it helps the bones let go of the good stuff, I don&#039;t know or remember the details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussions people have about stock! I love it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made stock with the CSA chickens we get (yeah, I&#8217;m in SF too) that come equipped with heads and feet a couple times and it really is amazing stuff. The floating head bobbing around in there thing is a little freaky, but at the same time it feels respectful. We&#8217;re definitely getting every last bit of nutrition out of these noble little beasts as we can.</p>
<p>Secret ingredient that my caterer/foodie inspiration pal swears by: a little white vinegar. Apparently it helps the bones let go of the good stuff, I don&#8217;t know or remember the details.</p>
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		<title>By: FoodieView Blog &#187; Recipe Roundup: Cold Weather, Hot Soup</title>
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		<dc:creator>FoodieView Blog &#187; Recipe Roundup: Cold Weather, Hot Soup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A good soup often requires a good stock or broth made from vegetables, poultry, meat, or seafood, and you can make your own or use a purchased stock for convenience. Making stock is relatively easy, you just need to plan ahead and allow yourself enough time. Often ingredients for stock are saved as scraps and frozen until ready for use, though you can also purchase stock ingredients. You can find instructions for making stocks at Married with Dinner (chicken stock), Clifford A. Wright (beef stock), and Andrea&#8217;s Recipes (vegetable stock). Some of the following soups require stock, but some use other liquids for flavor. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A good soup often requires a good stock or broth made from vegetables, poultry, meat, or seafood, and you can make your own or use a purchased stock for convenience. Making stock is relatively easy, you just need to plan ahead and allow yourself enough time. Often ingredients for stock are saved as scraps and frozen until ready for use, though you can also purchase stock ingredients. You can find instructions for making stocks at Married with Dinner (chicken stock), Clifford A. Wright (beef stock), and Andrea&#8217;s Recipes (vegetable stock). Some of the following soups require stock, but some use other liquids for flavor. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cindy: Thanks!

KM: Thanks for the picture praise. 

I think you&#039;re onto something with the DIY chiller, although I wonder if the thermal shock of immersing frozen liquid into hot stock might crack the glass. 

Another way I quick-chill stock is to take the frozen contents of last few bags of the previous batch and toss them into the hot stock. It&#039;s not nearly as swell as the chiller, but it does speed things up. And moving the strained stock into a cool pan or bowl is also a big help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy: Thanks!</p>
<p>KM: Thanks for the picture praise. </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re onto something with the DIY chiller, although I wonder if the thermal shock of immersing frozen liquid into hot stock might crack the glass. </p>
<p>Another way I quick-chill stock is to take the frozen contents of last few bags of the previous batch and toss them into the hot stock. It&#8217;s not nearly as swell as the chiller, but it does speed things up. And moving the strained stock into a cool pan or bowl is also a big help.</p>
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		<title>By: kitchenMage</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitchenMage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the pictures! It&#039;s all so anti-denial and all. The stock-cooler bottle is a pretty slick tool. I am guessing that a wine bottle would work...? (she, who has a smaller kitchen now than a month ago and can&#039;t deal with more *stuff* at the moment, asks hopefully)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the pictures! It&#8217;s all so anti-denial and all. The stock-cooler bottle is a pretty slick tool. I am guessing that a wine bottle would work&#8230;? (she, who has a smaller kitchen now than a month ago and can&#8217;t deal with more *stuff* at the moment, asks hopefully)</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice pictures there!</description>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/10/31/murder-most-fowl/comment-page-1/#comment-80515</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane: I agree, at least about the feet. Can&#039;t go with you on the hearts, but Cameron does save the livers for pate.

Kalyn: Isn&#039;t the stock chiller a swoopy tool? It&#039;d great for sauces and other hot liquids you make in bulk, too. The day I first saw one used (at school), I marched straight to the restaurant supply and bought one for home. I only wish I had enough freezer space to keep it filled and frozen all the time.

I&#039;ve eaten chicken feet before, but I can&#039;t say I get the appeal. To me, their cartilage is much better spent in stock than stuck in my teeth.

Annalise:
I try very hard to be a thoughtful omnivore, and I appreciate your being a respectful vegan. Your bitch reflex is very well behaved, although I can guess that I must have struck a nerve because you aren&#039;t responding to what I wrote, exactly.

Although I went pretty far out on my narrative limb, I never said I thought my young picky-eater self was self-absorbed (although I certainly was in many other ways, at that age), merely squeamish and spoiled. And I also was never a vegetarian by any means -- I just refused to eat meat that looked like body parts. I very deliberately meant to say (even if I didn&#039;t get the point across) that &#039;getting over myself&#039; involved overcoming my denial regarding my food choices and my omnivore status.

I&#039;m a strong believer that if and when a person chooses to eat meat, they have an obligation to be honest about where it comes from and all of the collateral effects -- to the food-animal, to the environment, to their bodies -- that they&#039;re complicit in. Meat that comes in nuggets or unrecognizable blobs on a styrofoam tray is part of the problem, in about a dozen ways I can think of off the top of my head. I&#039;m guessing that, as far apart as we are in our food choices, we can agree on that much at least.

Thanks for the photo compliment, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane: I agree, at least about the feet. Can&#8217;t go with you on the hearts, but Cameron does save the livers for pate.</p>
<p>Kalyn: Isn&#8217;t the stock chiller a swoopy tool? It&#8217;d great for sauces and other hot liquids you make in bulk, too. The day I first saw one used (at school), I marched straight to the restaurant supply and bought one for home. I only wish I had enough freezer space to keep it filled and frozen all the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve eaten chicken feet before, but I can&#8217;t say I get the appeal. To me, their cartilage is much better spent in stock than stuck in my teeth.</p>
<p>Annalise:<br />
I try very hard to be a thoughtful omnivore, and I appreciate your being a respectful vegan. Your bitch reflex is very well behaved, although I can guess that I must have struck a nerve because you aren&#8217;t responding to what I wrote, exactly.</p>
<p>Although I went pretty far out on my narrative limb, I never said I thought my young picky-eater self was self-absorbed (although I certainly was in many other ways, at that age), merely squeamish and spoiled. And I also was never a vegetarian by any means &#8212; I just refused to eat meat that looked like body parts. I very deliberately meant to say (even if I didn&#8217;t get the point across) that &#8216;getting over myself&#8217; involved overcoming my denial regarding my food choices and my omnivore status.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a strong believer that if and when a person chooses to eat meat, they have an obligation to be honest about where it comes from and all of the collateral effects &#8212; to the food-animal, to the environment, to their bodies &#8212; that they&#8217;re complicit in. Meat that comes in nuggets or unrecognizable blobs on a styrofoam tray is part of the problem, in about a dozen ways I can think of off the top of my head. I&#8217;m guessing that, as far apart as we are in our food choices, we can agree on that much at least.</p>
<p>Thanks for the photo compliment, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: annalise</title>
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		<dc:creator>annalise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not one of those vegans who is insulted- or insulting- about other peoples&#039; choice to eat meat... but, I am a little taken aback by the fact that you consider your vegetarian self to be self-absorbed... and the decision to eat meat involved growing up and &#039;getting over yourself&#039;? 

I&#039;m having trouble suppressing my bitch reflex at the moment.

Anyway. What I came here to say is, the photo with the silver pot is really beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not one of those vegans who is insulted- or insulting- about other peoples&#8217; choice to eat meat&#8230; but, I am a little taken aback by the fact that you consider your vegetarian self to be self-absorbed&#8230; and the decision to eat meat involved growing up and &#8216;getting over yourself&#8217;? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m having trouble suppressing my bitch reflex at the moment.</p>
<p>Anyway. What I came here to say is, the photo with the silver pot is really beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 03:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the idea of the immersible stock chiller.  Never seen anything like that before, but what a great idea.  (BTW, when I went to China lots of restaurants were selling chicken feet, apparently quite popular there, but I just couldn&#039;t eat them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the idea of the immersible stock chiller.  Never seen anything like that before, but what a great idea.  (BTW, when I went to China lots of restaurants were selling chicken feet, apparently quite popular there, but I just couldn&#8217;t eat them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ALWAYS put feet in my chicken stock...they make it yummy.  My grandma did it, and so do I.  Once a month or so I make a big pot of stock with lots of little feet scrabbling to get out.  I&#039;ve never chopped them off though.

I remember being given the chicken heart as a treat when my Mom roasted chicken.  She&#039;d boil up the giblets/heart for the cat, and fish the heart out of the boiling brew and give it to me to eat.  I loved it.  Recently I saw some at Berkeley Bowl and bought a few, but at the same time I remember thinking, &quot;if I had to approach those now, as an adult, I&#039;d think twice about chowing down on chicken hearts.&quot;.  Luckily I didn&#039;t know any better as a kid, and luckily that was prior to my Mom going vegetarian. Mmmmmmmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ALWAYS put feet in my chicken stock&#8230;they make it yummy.  My grandma did it, and so do I.  Once a month or so I make a big pot of stock with lots of little feet scrabbling to get out.  I&#8217;ve never chopped them off though.</p>
<p>I remember being given the chicken heart as a treat when my Mom roasted chicken.  She&#8217;d boil up the giblets/heart for the cat, and fish the heart out of the boiling brew and give it to me to eat.  I loved it.  Recently I saw some at Berkeley Bowl and bought a few, but at the same time I remember thinking, &#8220;if I had to approach those now, as an adult, I&#8217;d think twice about chowing down on chicken hearts.&#8221;.  Luckily I didn&#8217;t know any better as a kid, and luckily that was prior to my Mom going vegetarian. Mmmmmmmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far, no hate mail, thankfully. I was worried about grossing people out, but everyone who&#039;s commented (both here and on Flickr) has said nice things.
But then, Sam, you do have a lot more readers than I. :D

Glad to know I wasn&#039;t just imagining the heads-in-bags. I don&#039;t think I could bear putting them in the pot, not so much the idea of seeing them bobbing about so much as unearthing the little skulls at the end.

(Rocky, are you laughing at me yet?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, no hate mail, thankfully. I was worried about grossing people out, but everyone who&#8217;s commented (both here and on Flickr) has said nice things.<br />
But then, Sam, you do have a lot more readers than I. <img src='http://marriedwithdinner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Glad to know I wasn&#8217;t just imagining the heads-in-bags. I don&#8217;t think I could bear putting them in the pot, not so much the idea of seeing them bobbing about so much as unearthing the little skulls at the end.</p>
<p>(Rocky, are you laughing at me yet?)</p>
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