Comments on: DOTW: Blue Moon http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/ The continuing adventures of a couple of San Francisco food dorks Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:44:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: The Aviation Cocktail : Drink Dogma http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-86036 Tue, 06 May 2008 09:12:13 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-86036 [...] So what does one do? It sounds as if the Aviation could be two different drinks entirely. The version without the Crème de Violette has been an accepted Aviation for years and years, but it seems like the original drink was indeed made with the flower liqueur. To add more confusion, there is also a related cocktail called the Blue Moon which leaves out the maraschino entirely, leaving the gin, lemon juice, and crème de violette (the original Blue Moon recipe called for crème yvette—a now-defunct liqueur containing violet flowers and possibly vanilla; crème de violette was often substituted). [...] […] So what does one do? It sounds as if the Aviation could be two different drinks entirely. The version without the Crème de Violette has been an accepted Aviation for years and years, but it seems like the original drink was indeed made with the flower liqueur. To add more confusion, there is also a related cocktail called the Blue Moon which leaves out the maraschino entirely, leaving the gin, lemon juice, and crème de violette (the original Blue Moon recipe called for crème yvette—a now-defunct liqueur containing violet flowers and possibly vanilla; crème de violette was often substituted). […]

]]> by: Eric http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-80267 Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:34:22 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-80267 Last I heard, LeNells will move nearby in Red Hook - not close. Anyway that's months away. I'd be more concerned about her current available supply of Red Hook Rye! Last I heard, LeNells will move nearby in Red Hook - not close. Anyway that’s months away. I’d be more concerned about her current available supply of Red Hook Rye!

]]> by: Anita http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78262 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:25:31 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78262 Kathy: I dunno about Eric, but I read it :) I second the recommendation the Red Hook Rye, though. Erik: Thanks for the clarification. I think I should have said "Many moons ago..." rather than "Originally..." (It would have been wittier, too.) Ted Haigh's writeup in <em><a target="_blank" title="Vintage Spirits on Amazon" href="http://astore.amazon.com/marriwithdinn-20/detail/1592530680/104-9699455-7994364" rel="nofollow">Vintage Spirits and Forgotten Cocktails</a></em> references the Yvette, and I made the mistake of relying on that history rather than digging deeper on my own. Kathy: I dunno about Eric, but I read it :)
I second the recommendation the Red Hook Rye, though.

Erik: Thanks for the clarification. I think I should have said “Many moons ago…” rather than “Originally…” (It would have been wittier, too.) Ted Haigh’s writeup in Vintage Spirits and Forgotten Cocktails references the Yvette, and I made the mistake of relying on that history rather than digging deeper on my own.

]]> by: erik_flannestad http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78259 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:54:04 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78259 Oh, interesting. So, Creme Yvette is closer to Parfait Amour than Creme de Violette? Or somewhere in between? Seems like the Hermes is in that style. As far as I know, the original Aviation Cocktail recipe calls for Violette, not Creme Yvette. This is the oldest recipe anyone has turned up, so far. It is from Hugo Ensslin's 1916 book, "How to Mix Drinks". <B>AVIATION COCKTAIL</B> 1/3 Lemon Juice 2/3 El Bart Gin 2 dashes Maraschino 2 dashes Creme de Violette <I>Shake well in a mixing glass with cracked ice, strain and serve.</I> Oh, interesting.

So, Creme Yvette is closer to Parfait Amour than Creme de Violette? Or somewhere in between? Seems like the Hermes is in that style.

As far as I know, the original Aviation Cocktail recipe calls for Violette, not Creme Yvette.

This is the oldest recipe anyone has turned up, so far. It is from Hugo Ensslin’s 1916 book, “How to Mix Drinks”.

AVIATION COCKTAIL
1/3 Lemon Juice
2/3 El Bart Gin
2 dashes Maraschino
2 dashes Creme de Violette
Shake well in a mixing glass with cracked ice, strain and serve.

]]> by: Kathy Ramsey http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78251 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:54:45 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78251 I'm wondering if Eric read the NYT article (8/11/07) about LeNell's having to close next summer. She wants to relocate, but is very particular about where to do that. I’m wondering if Eric read the NYT article (8/11/07) about LeNell’s having to close next summer. She wants to relocate, but is very particular about where to do that.

]]> by: Anita http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78237 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:46:02 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78237 Tea: thank you! GG: See Eric's note, below. Also Blackwell's in San Francisco if you're closer to the West Coast. Eric: Thanks for the clarification on the Yvette. This will teach me to write posts the night before I put them on the site -- leaving me zero time for fact-checking. I was so excited to get the word out about the new violette that I let my research lapse. Fifty lashes with a wet julep strainer.... and I know Erik from Underhill Lounge has a couple of clarifications, too, when he gets a chance to comment. Tea: thank you!

GG: See Eric’s note, below. Also Blackwell’s in San Francisco if you’re closer to the West Coast.

Eric: Thanks for the clarification on the Yvette. This will teach me to write posts the night before I put them on the site — leaving me zero time for fact-checking. I was so excited to get the word out about the new violette that I let my research lapse. Fifty lashes with a wet julep strainer…. and I know Erik from Underhill Lounge has a couple of clarifications, too, when he gets a chance to comment.

]]> by: Eric http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78236 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:30:03 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78236 On the East Coast it's easiest to phone and mail-order from LeNell's in Brooklyn (also get her Red Hook Rye while at it). Take note that the Yvette was actually never a Creme de Violette, but instead a floral-flavored liqueur with notes of vanilla and citrus. Some prefer the Violettes because the taste and aroma are from a natural floral infusion, others like the Yvette style for those other flavor notes. On the East Coast it’s easiest to phone and mail-order from LeNell’s in Brooklyn (also get her Red Hook Rye while at it).

Take note that the Yvette was actually never a Creme de Violette, but instead a floral-flavored liqueur with notes of vanilla and citrus. Some prefer the Violettes because the taste and aroma are from a natural floral infusion, others like the Yvette style for those other flavor notes.

]]> by: GG Mora http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78169 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:06:18 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-78169 You know, reading your blog so often leaves me wanting a good stiff drink. And I mean that in the nicest way. I'm just wondering if I can find some of these fancy liqueurs out here in the hinterlands. You know, reading your blog so often leaves me wanting a good stiff drink. And I mean that in the nicest way.

I’m just wondering if I can find some of these fancy liqueurs out here in the hinterlands.

]]> by: Tea http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-77747 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:24:19 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-77747 Oh-so-pretty! Oh-so-pretty!

]]> by: Anita http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-77746 Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:23:15 +0000 http://marriedwithdinner.com/2007/08/31/dotw-blue-moon/#comment-77746 Barbara: neither had I until last year when I tried the Hermes. Its definitely obscure! Dagny: I know that Blackwells (out on Geary and 21st) carries the Rothman; other than that, I haven't seen it anywhere. Barbara: neither had I until last year when I tried the Hermes. Its definitely obscure!

Dagny: I know that Blackwells (out on Geary and 21st) carries the Rothman; other than that, I haven’t seen it anywhere.

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